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Posted 09 May 2004 - 02:03 PM

I appreciate all the knowledge on this forum and hope some experienced people can advise.

I have an opportunity to buy 4 acres of land for $1.5m. The seller is not flexible and wants the total amount. We have provided her with $50k as earnest money and will be paying an enginner approx $7k to do feasibility, soil, etc. tests.

Currently it is zoned R1. Ideally, we'd like to build 60 homes on it, get it rezoned as R3. The general contractor quoted that the approximate price would be about $9m to build this out. In addition, we have interviews with architects, attorneys, and loan officers lined up. We plan on selling each unit for 350-420k at minimum. The market is booming.

We found out that an "a&d" loan would require 50% LTV (need 750k to close). How can we make this work and do the numbers make sense?

I found out a construction loan alone could be 90% LTV.. but in our case, that would be 10% DP which would still be 90k. I'd rather go for the A&D loan and put up 750k for the land.

In addition, I am fairly green in this field. I have flipped several homes in the past (fixer uppers, etc) 2-3 per year for the past 3 years and have made excellent income as a software engineer ($100k+ for the past 4 years) and am now getting into commercial.

Specific questions I have:
should my team get a land loan, acquire the land, then work on the construction loan separately? Or obtain an "A&D" loan for both? If just getting a land loan, what do lenders typically want as for LTV? Once acquired, how about the construction loan - what typically LTV would they want for the construction loan?

Any help/guidance is very much appreciated.. thank you.

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Posted 09 May 2004 - 03:53 PM

TJ:

should my team get a land loan, acquire the land, then work on the construction loan separately? I donít think you have much choice but to go after a land loan only since the zoning is not in place. Looking at this from the point of view of a lender, there are two major strikes against it. First, you are not a developer and are have no experience in it. Second, the property can not be used according to your plans until it gets rezoned.

I found out a construction loan alone could be 90% LTV.. but in our case, that would be 10% DP which would still be 90k. I'd rather go for the A&D loan and put up 750k for the land. There is something very wrong with this math. I think that if a lender requires 10% equity on a construction loan, the lender means from the total value.

If just getting a land loan, what do lenders typically want as for LTV? In this case, I think you will find most mainstream lenders coming in at 50%. That is if they are interested in doing this loan. You also have to consider that the land is valued at one price as R-1 and as another as R-3. Therefore, the value will probably be affected by this. {remember is a percentage of the lower of purchase price or appraised value}

what typically LTV would they want for the construction loan? This might be a bit more difficult to pinpoint, but I would say 75% loan-to-value and 85% loan-to-cost sounds reasonable give or take 5%.

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Posted 12 May 2004 - 12:51 AM

QUOTE(loanuniverse @ May 9 2004, 03:53 PM)
TJ:

should my team get a land loan, acquire the land, then work on the construction loan separately?  I donít think you have much choice but to go after a land loan only since the zoning is not in place. Looking at this from the point of view of a lender, there are two major strikes against it. First, you are not a developer and are have no experience in it. Second, the property can not be used according to your plans until it gets rezoned.

I found out a construction loan alone could be 90% LTV.. but in our case, that would be 10% DP which would still be 90k. I'd rather go for the A&D loan and put up 750k for the land. There is something very wrong with this math. I think that if a lender requires 10% equity on a construction loan, the lender means from the total value.

If just getting a land loan, what do lenders typically want as for LTV? In this case, I think you will find most mainstream lenders coming in at 50%. That is if they are interested in doing this loan. You also have to consider that the land is valued at one price as R-1 and as another as R-3. Therefore, the value will probably be affected by this. {remember is a percentage of the lower of purchase price or appraised value}

what typically LTV would they want for the construction loan? This might be a bit more difficult to pinpoint, but I would say 75% loan-to-value and 85% loan-to-cost sounds reasonable give or take 5%.

Hi, thanks for your response..

1. Why do I not have a choice but to only go after a land loan? Is it because it is not R3? We can still do an R1 and build out 20 homes.. but would prefer R3. Would a bank be willing to listen to this? Or would it be better to get a land loan first, rezone, then get another loan that replaces that land loan for construction as well?

2. I have a typo - should be 900k for down payment on a $9m loan. So that would be 10%.

3. I found a local bank that stated 50% of LTV for an 'A&D' loan. How much more would an R3 typically be valued vs an R1 zoned land?

Thank you again..

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Posted 12 May 2004 - 12:03 PM

Why do I not have a choice but to only go after a land loan?

I think you don't have a choice mostly because the way I understood your original post, the following is the situation:

- There is no construction plans, the contractor has not been chosen.

- The land is under contract, so I am guessing that there is a deadline for closing that you have to meet.

- The whole plan hinges on the rezoning, which is not in place.

- What would a lender be financing when there is no construction budget, which is derived from the plans?

- Of course, you could try to negotiate an extension from the seller if there is a deadline approaching.

I found a local bank that stated 50% of LTV for an 'A&D' loan. How much more would an R3 typically be valued vs an R1 zoned land?

The amount of the loan is tied to the cost and value of the project. 50% seems very conservative as residential construction is usually around 80% loan-to-value and 80% loan-to-cost give or take 5% either way. However {and don't take this the wrong way}, your request would certainly be turned down by most banks because of your lack of experience. I know it sounds like a catch-22 "You can't get an A&D loan without experience, and you can't get experience without one", but this is the reason why so many developers start with an established partner.

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Posted 14 November 2005 - 12:09 PM

Is your $50k earnest money considered an option? Why dont you make the purchase subject to rezoning?

Rezoning should take approximately 6-8 months, then upon approval, wrap the cost of the land in with the construction loan. You may have to work with your architect to get to schematic design for the layout of the development for rezoning purposes/permitting purposes. You may also want to allocate and be aware of impact fees and land improvemnt costs related to the development. Depending on the size of the development, concerns from a traffic standpoint, impact on utilities, and or neighboring community groups may have to be addressed to obtain rezoning.



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Posted 21 July 2006 - 01:24 PM

Some good info, but real life (achievable) scenarios seem missing. Firstly, you should structure your pruchase agreement contingent upon achieving the required zoning. Secondly, A&D financing is the normal & financially preferable method to get to the next step. Consider bringing on experienced developer partner to assit with mgmt. LTV's can higher, depending on the valuations. Const. financing is technically the financing associated with the vertical const component. Presales can help tremendously. Finanlly, please understand that in most A&D structures, you would rarely hit the "top" of your financing. These loans also should include reserves for interest & a contigency amount. There are a good many other "moving parts", but if you've done your research, performed extensive DCF analysis, etc., there's $'s available. Where's your proposed project?

Edited by loanuniverse, 21 July 2006 - 03:48 PM.


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Posted 22 July 2006 - 01:41 PM

QUOTE(TJ @ May 9 2004, 03:03 PM) View Post

I appreciate all the knowledge on this forum and hope some experienced people can advise.

I have an opportunity to buy 4 acres of land for $1.5m. The seller is not flexible and wants the total amount. We have provided her with $50k as earnest money and will be paying an enginner approx $7k to do feasibility, soil, etc. tests.

Currently it is zoned R1. Ideally, we'd like to build 60 homes on it, get it rezoned as R3. The general contractor quoted that the approximate price would be about $9m to build this out. In addition, we have interviews with architects, attorneys, and loan officers lined up. We plan on selling each unit for 350-420k at minimum. The market is booming.

We found out that an "a&d" loan would require 50% LTV (need 750k to close). How can we make this work and do the numbers make sense?

I found out a construction loan alone could be 90% LTV.. but in our case, that would be 10% DP which would still be 90k. I'd rather go for the A&D loan and put up 750k for the land.

In addition, I am fairly green in this field. I have flipped several homes in the past (fixer uppers, etc) 2-3 per year for the past 3 years and have made excellent income as a software engineer ($100k+ for the past 4 years) and am now getting into commercial.

Specific questions I have:
should my team get a land loan, acquire the land, then work on the construction loan separately? Or obtain an "A&D" loan for both? If just getting a land loan, what do lenders typically want as for LTV? Once acquired, how about the construction loan - what typically LTV would they want for the construction loan?

Any help/guidance is very much appreciated.. thank you.


Dear Sir,

I believe your project should consist of more than 4 acres. However; this loan could be done as a commercial construction loan including the land acquisition. The project must be phased properly ie you must show adequate profits in Phase I of development before the lender will release the funds for the next phase of the project. If you have a good business plan and can prove to the lender that you can turn the profits required you should have no problem getting at least 80% of the project LTV. We specialize in the loans which are hard to do. Please contact me.

Edited by loanuniverse, 22 July 2006 - 06:46 PM.






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